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The ZOMG Crew on the Nokia-Microsoft Windows Phone 7 Announcement [Round Table]

   

 

On Friday, Nokia announced that their new Smartphone OS of choice, is going to be Windows Phone 7. As such, reactions broke out throughout the blogosphere, from Nokia Enthusiasts and non-enthusiasts alike. Mostly negative though, as the Finnish Giant’s share dropped by 10 Percent, dipping to 16% at one point before settling at -14% on the Nasdaq, for the weekend.

So yeah, things were definitely crazy for a while there.

Follow on after the break to see how the ZCJ Editors Aatif Sumar, Ashutosh Tiwary, Dheepak Krishnamurthy, Yash Maheshwari and Clinton Jeff felt about the change, a whole day later.

Aatif Sumar (Last phone Nokia N82, E63, Currently Using Samsung Galaxy S):

Two desperate parents trying to get a marriage to work because of the kids

I think this aptly sums up the situation Nokia was in. It was in a bad marriage with Symbian, and as much as it wanted to start fresh and correct mistakes, it couldn’t, because of the kids.

The kids are both Symbian fans across the world, and Nokia users of previous versions of Symbian. As much as they wanted to, they couldn’t do a lot of things. Like revamp their user interface from scratch. S^3 was given a look similar to previous versions of Symbian out of fear that the kids would lose the familiarity. To ensure backward support of applications that the kids wanted, they were restricted from going ahead.

Over the last two days, the mobile industry has literally been ablaze with news of Nokia’s paradigm shift. People on twitter have called Stephen Elop everything from a Trojan, to an undercover Microsoft man sent to get Nokia on board WP7 (Oops that was me!). Emotions have been (understandably) on edge, and a lot of people are calling this the end of Nokia.

I personally feel that it’s a bit ridiculous that the same people, who wholeheartedly agreed with the ‘leaked’ Burning Platform memo from Stephen Elop, are now saying that this shouldn’t have been done.

We all would have wanted Android instead of Windows Phone 7. But then again, we all also want an iPhone that’s larger than 3.5 inches, and a MacBook Pro at a reasonable price. There’s only so much we can expect a company to do.

Now Nokia, who is the world leader in cell phones (in numbers), switching over to Android and being a small fish with tons of other players having years of experience in making Android devices, is not something we can realistically expect.

It is more in character for them to switch to a relatively new platform, and be the leaders there.

At the end of the day, more than 90% of people’s gripes with Windows Phone 7 are lack of Multitasking, and lack of Copy Paste. I say that by the time the first Windows Nokia device releases in Q4 this year, it is highly unlikely that these 2 issues will not have been solved.

My only gripe with the situation is that, what is going to happen to Nokia’s line of non touch devices? I think everyone will agree that they make the best non touch devices. Touchscreens aren’t for everyone. What about people wanting to upgrade their E72? Is Nokia forcing them to switch over to a fruity company?

Ashutosh Tiwary (Currently Using Nokia E72):

Nokia and Windows Phone 7

Two days ago, Stephen Elop and Steve Ballmer (Bummer!) announced the future of Nokia’s mobile OS. Nokia will be using WP7.

To be honest, I was surprised. I was generally scoffing at all the speculations before Nokia going Android and all because, I did not see any wrong in pursuing Symbian Meego ahead.

Yes, Symbian is a wonderful platform imho. Apart from a dated UI, the only thing against Symbian was lack of Devs’ interests in developing for this platform and that was not OS’s fault. The fault lied with Nokia. They never showed enough desperation themselves for reviving the platform. Symbian and Meego sounded wonderful because they were in Nokia’s control. Please understand, when you own the OS and the phone it gives you immense possibilities to control your own destiny. You shape the OS, you stabilize the firmwares. Now, by choosing Windows, Nokia has let that leverage slip away from its hands.

I am not saying WP7 is a bad platform. Heck no. I haven’t played with a Windows Phone enough, to pass the verdict but honestly, I had a chance to play with Windows Mobile 6.5 phone earlier and I just couldn’t bring myself to use that phone even for a day.

Nokia, by phasing out Symbian, has got itself into a fight. Today, the phone purchases are influenced by OSes and not manufacturers. You either prefer an Android, iOS, Blackberry OS or Windows. With the exception of iPhone here, you will never say, I want to buy only HTCs, LGs, Samsungs or Nokias. A while ago, you could have said a Nokia because of Symbian exclusivity.

So when you choose an OS, you lose one identity. Because, the buyer has multiple choices. Secondly, you depend on some other company for the latest version of OS ported to, passed on to your phone.

Dear Nokia, it would have been easier to work on an already matured OS rather than going this way!

Dheepak Krishnamurthy (Last Phone Nokia 5800, Samsung Galaxy S, Currently Using Google Nexus S):

Nokia and Microsoft, who would have thunk huh?

This last week saw the collaboration of the two giants, and it certainly was quite a shock. High emotions and tensions of dedicated developers and fans notwithstanding, forcing themselves to accept that this decision will be good for Nokia is what most people will eventually decide to do.

With Windows Phone 7 becoming Nokia’s primary platform in their new strategic structure, it is safe to say that the death of Symbian is imminent, though we have seen many a foreboding for this event. Symbian has always failed to cut it. It has been around for quite a while, ever lasting ever changing. It has become highly fragmented of late, but even still offering great non touch screen form factor phones. Nokia’s QT was an excellent move, drawing developers to the ecosystem, although there were still many improvements that could have been made, especially in the media department. In my honest opinion Symbian was a great OS, and didn’t need any major overhaul to get it back into the game, just a bit of bug fixes. My Nokia 5800 had served me faithfully, and with a few bug fixes it would have been a fantastic buy. Clearly Nokia didn’t think so, rewriting everything again with Symbian^3, and resided on the Nokia N8 at first which they so passionately promoted. Nokia did have a problem with developers, the fragmented OS and hard, rigid and non standard Symbian C++ based programming did not help much. QT would have come to their aid their, but Nokia have decided otherwise. Nokia have spent too much time on Research and Development, and have not gotten anywhere.

Nokia have had two choices; stick to Symbian and Meego, and work out how to make things work, or to go OEM style, dishing out the software to a provider and concentrating on just the hardware. Google and Android would have been anyone’s guess, but Nokia have decided to go with Microsoft’s Windows Phone 7. Nokia CEO Stephen Elop said that with Android they feared being able to differentiate themselves from the crowd. Last time I checked Android was Open Source, and its customization options were virtually unlimited. Nokia have never been good at providing that slick user interface on touchscreen devices, and maybe did not have the confidence to venture into a region they dread so much. And with every phone manufacturer out there going in for the Android experience, it makes sense why they think they will not be able to differentiate themselves in that market. Naturally their other option was Windows Phone 7, and have perhaps hit a pretty good deal with Microsoft. Nokia have openly announced that Windows Phone 7 will be their primary platform, and it is my honest opinion that they will have to eat their words. Now that they have gone the OEM way, they might as well make Android phones as well. Focusing only on WP7 will narrow their reach tremendously, cutting off even more of their once loyal fans.

Certainly the big winners here are Microsoft. They have snapped the deal of their lifetime. Their market share will definitely increase, but given that WP7 is still in its infancy, I reckon not by much. WP7 will still require a lot of tinkering, but at least it has got user interface and fluidity going for it. All Microsoft have to go is get Cut Copy and Paste and Multitasking, and we will have ourselves a competing operating system. Microsoft will complement Nokia very well, providing clean and slick software for high end hardware.

The gradual transition is what worries me. Announcing that they will continue updates for Symbian devices will be the only solace for anyone who has bought a high end Nokia phone recently. Developers are not going to bother with Symbian now after this, and saying that they will continue to sell Symbian phones for a couple of years now seems like a waste of time. Basically they have decided to continue sell Symbian devices, at least for another two years, even though it will be completely dead after that. Symbian will probably last up until 2013, and then it’s gone for sure. Providing support for Symbian up until then will lessen the blow to Symbian followers, and will help assuage the hurt feelings of all those who bought a Symbian phone very recently. It is my opinion that Nokia should instead focus all their efforts into bringing out a Nokia with Windows Phone 7 OS as soon as they can, using the momentum of this announcement to capture some of the interested audience. S40 should have no place in their line up now, and moving Symbian to low end devices makes sense, to compete against the low cost Android budget phones. MeeGo seems an interesting option, but only one phone and that too as an experiment, it certainly will not be their flagship device, that is for sure.

Nokia will do well to go Android as well as Windows Phone 7, instead of putting all their eggs in one basket. Many Android fans have converted from disappointed Symbian buys, and Nokia have a good chance of pulling them back if they did. Hard to differentiate themselves in the Android crowd is hardly a reason at all; HTC have used Android and their products stand out right from the boot up. Samsung have made great headway using Android, and Nokia could do the same as well. Using Windows Phone 7 alone will certainly not have that sort of effect, even in the long run. Even with only Windows Phone 7, Nokia need to do this as soon as they can, putting this on first priority. They have the potential now of making great devices, and hopefully they will do it soon.

Yash Maheshwari (Last Phone Nokia N82, 5800, Currently Using Nokia N8):

Before talking about the Nokia – Microsoft deal, let us take a minute to ponder over what lay ahead for Nokia before they entered into this deal.

Inspite of being the market leader in terms of numbers, Symbian could never get the attention & name which iOS & Android earned in less than 3 years. The code and the user interface has been more or less the same since 2006, only receiving minor tweaks to make it touch friendly. Even for Symbian^3, the user interface was only polished, but basically it was still the same skeleton. This is where Symbian lost the name which it could never have recovered!

Nokia tried to sell the Symbian brand promising a new user interface & user experience by the end of 2011 with Symbian^4. This plan was later altered to streamline Symbian^3 & Symbian^4 into a single evolving Symbian OS which will receive the UI & UX upgrades promised with Symbian^4.

Now let us picture where Nokia finds themself with this Windows Phone deal in the bag. Windows Phone is a new operating system, written from scratch by Microsoft, introducing a revolutionary new UI & UX which has already been hailed by everybody as one of the prettiest UIs across all the mobile platforms. Isn’t this what Nokia had promised with Symbian by the end of 2011? With the UI & UX dealt with, Nokia can now move ahead with Microsoft to evolve the Windows Phone platform in the direction they want to. Windows Phone doesn’t even support Multi-Tasking yet, offering Nokia an excellent opportunity to influence the evolution of Windows Phone right from the basic features such as multi-tasking.

Nokia has been the market leader in mobile hardware for years, and Microsoft is arguably the best software developer in the market with the most used desktop operating system, office productivity suite as well as the browser. This deal brings together the best hardware manufacturer with the best software developer! I fail to see how this can not excite any mobile enthusiast!

Clinton Jeff (Last Phone Nokia N82, Currently Using iPhone 3GS, Nokia N8):

I was seated right next to Vaibhav from TheHandheldBlog on Friday, right before the news broke out. Vaibhav and I have been in the Symbian scene for years now. We’ve traded stories of our first Symbian phones, the first time we tried out some random app, the hilarious annoying bugs that Symbian used to have, and how it’s evolved. So when he told me that Nokia Conversations had posted that Windows Phone 7 had been selected at Nokia’s Primary Smartphone OS, I was sure that we was kidding.

Nokia would never stoop that low, right?

Wrong, as I found out when I fired up the Browser on my Macbook Air and read the blog post myself.

It’s nothing against Microsoft, me being a very adamant Windows user until recently. It was just… Windows Phone 7. I mean come, on. It’s the only Mobile Phone OS that I’ve actually gone on National TV to call ‘Dead on Arrival‘ because of the lack of Multi-tasking, and the inability to do basic things like Bluetooth over or receive content, or set custom ringtones, or use it as a USB Mass Storage device, or even having a basic file explorer. We’ve had an HTC HD7 running Windows Phone 7, that we’re yet to review here on ZCJ because I just couldnt use the OS longer than a day. Everything is tied down to that annoying Zune Software, so it’s basically like having another iOS device, but without Apple’s support, and with Zune Software instead of iTunes. Bah.

So yes, I’m not a fan of the Windows Phone 7 Platform. Infact, had Nokia gone with Android or heck even iOS, I would have been overjoyed with the decision. But nope, they went with Windows Phone 7. Geezas.

But I am a fan of Nokia. Been a user of the brand since 1999, so you can imagine how deep my commitment to the brand goes. I had their first Symbian/S60 smartphone, the Nokia 7650, which is the reason, well, the reason I am who I am today. The 7650 introduced me to the whole ‘Smart Phone’ phenomenon, and kick started my phone-evolution through the years. From the 7650, to the N-Gage, to the 6600, to the 6630, to the N80, to the N95, to the N82 and reviewing tons of Symbian devices after, I have always stuck to Nokia, the brand, along with Symbian as my comfort zone.

If anything, this massive bit of news has taught me that I’m more a fan of Nokia, than of Symbian. Sure I’m used to doing things a certain way, and the organized structure to everything in the Symbian OS (along with the bits of pure insanity in there).

So as a fan of Nokia, it’s hard to see them make a decision like this. Will it prove fruitful in the long run? Maybe. I cant be sure, to be honest. I took the HD7 out of the box yesterday, and used it again, trying to get everyone’s opinion on it. Everyone agreed it was much better than Symbian, in terms of UI. But in terms of functionality, when I told them the limitations that the OS had, everyone was quite shocked.

But Maybe Nokia will find someway to make it work

… was the general response I got. There’s an update coming for Windows Phone 7 that should bring Copy-Paste to the OS. There’s still no word on Multitasking though, and it honestly melts my brain, the fact that I cant set any of my music as a ringtone. And the dependance on the Zune PC Software for every. single. thing. When people say they want an iPhone like experience, being tied down to an iTunes equivalent, isnt one of them.

Getting used to seeing the Windows Logo on a Nokia is going to take a while for me. Installing Zune’s (PC-Only) software instead of Nokia’s PC Suite, is going to be another thing.

I really really hope Nokia knows what they’re doing. A part of me knows this drastic move might be a good thing. But the rest of me is worried that this is the Maemo–>Meego and S60–>Symbian transition years all over again, and I dont think any fan can survive going through all that again.

What worries me now is, who will buy Symbian phones, knowing that the OS has an expiration date on it? It’s like the N900 (post MeeGo Announcement) all over again. Consumers are one thing, but then there’s Developers too. Who will develop for Symbian or Qt now? Windows Phone 7 does not do Qt. All that cash spent by Forum Nokia on educating people on the goodness of Qt, all down the drain?

YOU: Give us your Opinion!

You’ve read what we think of the Nokia Windows Phone 7 announcement. After a whole day of thinking (well 48 hours ish now to be honest), what do you think of the Announcement? Still a bad idea, or do you see some faint tiny light at the end of this tunnel?

   

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Personally, I see your point but I am not sure yet it is really needed: unlike other hardware manufacturers, Nokia has the license to customize WP7. Actually, they claim they'll be working in partnership with MS to that purpose. So, I'm aready assuming that the WP7 OS we'll find on Nokia phones will be to some degree different (albait compatible, I really hope) from the one on other hardware producers. And yes, I too agree that the latter may quite dislike this. I also think it will be quite likely we'll see other features I can't really understand why are currently missing in WP7, such as thetering and Sync with Outlook. In other words, I think this degree of exclusivity may be enough to generate that uniqueness that is indeed needed to compete against the iPhone. Check this to see what other developers have to say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfWFvCJJaNs

good editorial. the non-finish-ex-microsoft dude did this on purpose. i like windows, but only on lappies. for mobiles i've been faithful to symbian, and now maemo. my next phone will be a meego. nope, never a windows phone (even if it has copy paste & multitasking). all i hope is that the next phone i buy is a nokia made meego.

I think people are missing one important point here -- Nokia just could not afford to dive into the Android pool with so many fish -- big and small -- already swimming like crazy in there. They have been world leaders for too long to do that. Nokia is not Samsung. Nokia is not LG or HTC or Motorola or Sony Ericsson. Nokia has a personality which is shaped differently from the Android players. It is to preserve that personality that they have CHOSEN not to take the dive. They have always cared about differentiation and this is what Elop meant when he said that Nokia would not be able to differentiate themselves from the other fish in the pool if they went with Android. This differentiation is the reason Nokia stuck with Symbian for so long even though that OS did not age well and Symbian never recovered from the jolt delivered to it with THE arrival of the touchscreen. So what is this differentiation? Well, Nokia are not like your other manufacturers. They have a different vision, and that's why they have services like Ovi, maps, apps, and music et al. They have Navteq. That differentiation was the reason they took Qt into their fold. Nokia are, and will always be, a competitor of Google and Apple. In fact, in the smartphone space, there is no one else to compete with Google and Apple. Do you think Samsung can compete with bada? Nokia tried with Symbian, they were trying to do it with the tedioudly paced MeeGo, but they have opened their eyes now and they have seen that while they were moulding that laggard MeeGo, Microsoft has already made a promising appearance. To compete, and to compete well, they realized that they did not have the right weapon in Symbian. In hindsight, it is easy to say that they should have realized this long ago. It is obvious that they tried -- for 4 long years -- and yet they have nothing to show for it. On the other hand they now have a new OS in WP7 which has great potential. And they have negotiated well -- according to the press release they will have a big say in how Windows Phone 7 and its future incarnations shape up. Compare that to the Android players who are at the mercy of Google. I cannot picture Nokia producing one android phone after the other like people flip burgers, what with the crazy cycle of Android releases. For all the differentiation people talk about regarding Android, where's the real differentiation? A new UI layer? If you call that differentiation then you really don't get it, because Nokia are bigger than that. Nokia had leverage and they used it. Now they have an OS which is the child of the touchscreen era and they have a real stake in that child. They have maps and navigation, and other services, mail, and content, which Elop and Ballmer have said "would be integrated with Microsoft Marketplace for a more compelling consumer experience". That is really exciting. It's another thing if one chooses to turn it into a negative point by saying that WP7 is DOA. Well, one would be foolish to think that the people behind WP7 are not taking notes and improving the OS by using our criticism and feedback -- they have been in the software game far too long to not know what gaps to fill. Bottomline is that Microsoft offered Nokia what they needed -- a capable OS which has the potential to compete, and a say in the direction the development of that OS takes. Nokia is better off than they would have been with Android. Would you really rather have them spinning out Android phones with nothing except something like HTC's Sense, Motorola's Blur and Samsung's TouchWiz? They deserve more that that, and surely they are more capable than that. So I say -- well done Nokia! Wish you all the best. And as for the Nokia employees protesting by walking out -- well, if one has been developing for a good-as-dead OS for so long and has nothing to show for it, one would protest too because, you know, one is going to lose their job. I say they should have been downsized long ago. What were these protesters doing for 4 years now? What have they got to show for all the development hours they have spent? If they worked for my company (and I do run a small but profitable company), they would have been shown the door long ago.

You've got it spot on. Nokia's focus is differentiation, and Android *does not* offer that. But that will not be obvious to Android lovers who were desperate to have Nokia in their fold, including these jesters sitting around the round table. And differentiation does not come with hardware or a UI layer, it comes with services. Sony Ericsson has probably made the smartest move of all the Android OEMs by delivering the Playstation suite recently, but what's there to differentiate the others? Nokia on the other hand have been services centric for a long time, and it would have been stupid for them to step down to an OEM role. I am willing to bet there will be good money flowing in both directions as a result of this deal. Nokia-Microsoft is good for the mobile business and mobile consumers. Android didn't get Nokia, it's about time you get over your grieving and stop whining.

"its all about giving you the best mobile experience, whoever may be giving it to you." I guess that's what I'm going to do. I've checked out so many non nokia devices today and this devices specifically looks like something that I'd like to buy. http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_optimus_3d_p920-3759.php

Excellent article. It almost as if you guys have taken the words out of my mouth and put them there. I started my smartphone journey with 6600 and followed a similar trail as yours after that. 6630, N70, N82, 5800 and today is the day when I've saved enough money for a new N8. But somehow I don't want it now. I've been a Nokia loyalist and a Symbian flag bearer for years. My heart is full of hatred for Android. I've fought multiple forum battles and helped many friends, family, colleagues, acquintances choose Symbian smartphones over their shiny restricted counterparts. But today I feel as if some important link between me and my favourite company has broken. I don't feel compelled to buy a Nokia anymore. Why should I waste my hard earned money on a device that comes with an expiration date? If I have to move to Windows Phone 7 why should I wait for Nokia to release a device. If I have to move away from Symbian why should Windows Phone 7 be the only option? I can't go Android. Going Android would mean all those Symbian hating dumb Americans were right all along. I hold Stephen Elop responsible for all this.

You guys have analyzed it well from Nokia user & fan-base perspective. But Elop has only considered long-term shareholder perspective. Only time will tell if he was right or wrong, but that's the gamble he has made

nokia should not leave symbian and meego and should concentrate on them, even if they has a patnership with windows. bcoz there are still many fans of symbian and nokia..

Nokia will also have full branding rights on their phones so they dont have to use the Windows icon if they dont think it will be suitable.

Great post Clinton. WP7 is so far behind Symbian in terms of functionality that it would take YEARS for it to do what I can do with my 2 year old N82! Why would I get a WP7 phone! It would be the height of frustration. Sure its UI is really slick, and apparently this is all US tech bloggers for care about, and all Elop knows about it the backward US mobile scene. With the improvements to the N8's browser and the addition of a portrait qwerty keyboard, would there be anything lacking in the N8? I thought the burning platform memo was sensationalist and defeatist, and said so at the time. I still can't see the sense in this move. Nokia has forever lost its independence. Its always going to be dependent on Microsoft from now on. They are now a small fish. This only makes sense if it was the plan all along for Nokia to be incorporated into Microsoft. With no WP7 device available, and Symbian declared dead, Nokia's sales are going to go through the floor in 2011. Microsoft will buy them very cheaply in 2012, if so long. Absolutely stunning stuff.

They backed the wrong horse, simple as that :) didn't realise there was this much talent on ZOMG :)

ZOMG!! They've real talent!! More than half their posts are videos obtained second hand!! That's real insightful!! ZOMG!!

lol you're saying you dont like the videos then?

No, I'm saying you do not have enough original content on your site. You don't need lots of talent to scavenge around the Internet and post links and stuff from other sites on your website, you only need lots of free time. I now rue why I clicked that link that brought me to this site. You lack originality.

Thanks for the Feedback David! We try as best we can, and we are working towards just that. Ofcourse when it comes to News, we have to link to source by principle. The videos we post are directly from the manufacturer, not any 'other sites', which we figure might come in useful for some of our readers. I appreciate the feedback though! I'll work on getting things tightened up maybe :) Much thanks.

i like those vids, actually it is good that i get vids of diff mfg/os/phones/etc at single place. but yeah, lately it has increased a lot. what u can do is make one post titled vids when there are lotsa vids. at least will look neat on google reader.

I agree with all of the team here on ZOMG, and share the pain also as you know, I too am a Nokia enthusiast, and had quite a strong relationship with Symbian, but got tired of the outdated look and feel of it, and was really hoping that Nokia was working some of their magic behind the scenes to brig a whole new User Interface for Symbian^3. I mean, after all, they were planning Symbian^4, then that got scrapped, which lead me to think they were actually working on the whole new UI for S^3, but how wrong was I.? I feel very sorry for any Symbian developers, loyalists, and die hard fans, I really do, and when you think what Symbian has done for the mobile world around the globe, its a crying shame to kill it off, surely with time and effort spent, it could have a beautiful UI, and User Experience, thats all it was lacking, why not focus attention to this instead of going to Microsoft.? Don't get me wrong, I have had time to think about this new alliance, and although im not completely happy about it, I am hopeful that good things will come to Nokia users in the future, but as said, hopeful. If this all goes pear shaped, Elops head will be on the chopping block. Actually looking at the local newspapers here and there, he is already being treated as a saboteur. Mr Elop, if you are reading this, please do not let us down, and please take the following into account before releasing a Nokia Windows 7 Phone....... Ensure the Nokia Windows Phone has the full functionality Nokia users have come to love, and enjoy over the years, do not release this new device with any less functionality that your loyal Nokiausers are already accustomed to. Period. Good luck, you have a battle on your hands, but many of us do have faith.

SE did a different Symbian UI with Vivaz. It's look modern and fresh.

@Dheepak They never said "WP7" :P , so i guess some common sense will prevail at Nokia , sooner than later.

Hey guys, good post ! I liked that you have wrote what you felt, not just business like, logical(???) analysis there. I got this news very late in day and was really shocked. Whatever people say about it , even logically(???) I am still not convinced that Nokia was standing on "burning platform". To me , right now they are in furnace. Situation was not as bad as it was made out to be. It was worst for Microsoft but not Nokia. What they have done with all this is, to give away their mission to be "services company" and will become just hardware manufacturer. Another fact which many are not covering enough is move to closed source OS. I was never Windows fan or even Mac. with this deal, Android seems to be only option for Open source champions, it's like choosing lesser evil. Very good point made by Cj here, I also learned that I am more of Nokia fan than Symbian or MeeGo. So I will look forward to what they do with Windows. But 2-3 years is too long time, and Nokia along with Microsoft will lose huge mindshare during these years. I am sure Samsung will be Number 1 soon. As not so long Anssi Vanjoki said "Using Android is like pissing in your pants for warmth" I guess this partnership for 3rd ecosystem with Microsoft is like "shitting in your pants" Sorry I have used strong words(may be censored) But whoever i know with bit of techie passion are completely stumped by this. Though this may take some time to reach non-techie, in-street markets but damage is already done. Just to explain how non-techie world(almost 95% of users) dont even think about all this , I will give you one example. In my office , I told this news to one of my colleague(Engineer, with more than 10 years work experience, least bothered about anything about mobiles) He said "so thats good news, we can use windows in mobiles too" .... Anyways, I guess my comment is getting longer, Thanks for sharing views and I hope more people will join in to share their views. P.S. - I am "still" going to buy Nokia N8 :)

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